One of the pictures was found on the net, on a public page. It is so sad to see what people do to breeds. It has left me speechless ( not for long, tho). I happen to know all the pedigrees in the breedS ( Vieux Griffon Barbet/Barbet Moderne). When I see a strange picture, I start wondering how the dog came about. I can visualize the dogs in the pedigrees. This is 15 years of work and archives to study.
If more worried about what they were producing and selling, it would not be such a mess.
On the right Ashley and my Coccolina. They both measure 50cms. The curly black and white male on the left is Ashley’s son. He is on the small side and the light structure comes out in the picture at the top (another male, with Coccolina in the pedigree). If you do not know what you are working with, you end up with these catastrophes and the breed degenerates. Then, it all goes haywire. After 5 generations of selection and work for the old/Vieux Griffon Barbet, I can sort of say.. I do not need a database to know what is going on. Why are people not more interested in facts?
When I got into the breed, of Vieux Barbet or Vieux Griffon Barbet..I was told to stay away from the Poodle lines. They go back 100+ years ( we’re talking Wycliffe/Apiele et al).
Not all lines had Poodle in them, they do now. It’s a question of getting the type out.
An F1 litter when crossing lines as one does today is going to be a pot-pourri of all the breeds in the 2 dogs. They will be cuteandnice but useless down the…line. Unless you know your lines and not many do.
Not all lines have SWD. You can see which do.
All lines have PWD.
Some lines have IWS. It is the only line that helped as it is similar to the Vieux Griffon Barbet, when you know how to select. I know all the pedigrees back to when they made the first ones.
You don’t always inherit from the parents, but from their siblings. Keep that in mind if you do not know what they look like.
There is a bunch of still, hidden stuff like there was in ALL breeds many years ago. Suffice to ask Pro- breeders. They know. By that I mean OLD breeders not recent ones.
I have always tried to keep one or two puppies of each litter ( I have not had many, it’s not possible) to see how they grew under my roof, not dispatched and brought in for breeding.
Dealing with a nearly extinct breed is a sacrifice and passion, contrary to what some may think, is not a money making affair. It’s trial and error.
Here you have 60 dogs in my line which comes from the oldest line which is Italian, along with the one which was in the south of France.
I can go back to the 30’s with type and you can go further with history. I have.
If you use Poodle history you will be hard put to claim a line. That’s is unless it is a Poodle line>> Barbet Moderne. It is not an ancient breed…it was created in the 1980’s in France.
Now if you breed, and claim “genetic diversity..”.. I would ask of what? Why?
What is your breeding goal and do you have a breeding plan, down the line and why have we never heard of it?
That is, with the fact there are less than one hundred of the Vieux Griffon Barbets alive today.They are not easy to come by.
Last but not least I have DNA going back 7 generations. My oldest Barbet is 15 and my youngest is 3.
It’s been 20 years now. I have most of the archives and 5 generations under my roof, going on 6, I hope.
it’s a labor of love and devotion.
The man on the moon, didn’t just fall there!
Last Sunday, was the xxth Barbet club match in the Netherlands. Interesting facts about what was shown there. 67% of the dogs had my Coccolina in their pedigree and out of the 75 dogs present…maximum 5 looked like what the breed should look like and that is NOT A POOFED OUT POODLE-TYPE. What does that mean? It means people are more and more breeding to breed. I like the expression and I think it sums up the issue..nicely.
So sad that now they are starting to look like the Canadian/US show dogs..and needless to say that the old breed/Vieux Barbet/Old bloodlines..would never win because judges were “taught” wrongly (misinformed), that the Barbet was a Poodle.
And because, well…..and what is really “funny” is people are now looking for the type below and are calling/ contacting me.. for help in finding a dog with the old type. Well…I now refuse to help because in a litter you can get several types and I cannot dictate to a breeder what to do. So, the last person who called me was very angry and hung up on me..
Bottom line? 5/75 is 0.06 of the old type available…and that is very representative of what is going on worldwide. How fun?!
The Barbet club of sorts (et al) no longer exists (finally) and the Barbet has recently become an orphan breed. Mismanagement of the breed, breeding to breed, lack of any kind of knowledge about its true history which is not about “the ancestor of the Poodle” nor is it about Napoleon’s mascot. A year ago, the whole thing exploded in their faces and the result is there, with a picture at the top of the page of the one who thought greatness was an quality/fication of one’s highness and disdain and moquery of others…never mind the falsified fatherhood declarations at ye ol’ scc. So, she was caught red-handed in her lies.
Now the club is dead. Long live the new club with probably another lot of ignoramuses in what the Barbet is, looking for fame and a type of fortune, again.
The SCC deals with people and not dogs ( contrary to what we would think) and they will only work with people who get along with eachother, so the Barbet is out as long as people don’t get along with each other. This has gone on for now 35 years and doesn’t seem it will end soon. I was happy to not have to contribute to this farce after 2012 when I was escorted to the door, and liberated.
In passing, 2 of my dogs, the Griffon types ( Vieux Barbet) are represented on that page next to the Poodle types (Barbet Moderne, invented by Jean Claude Hermans). Fanny Forigoler ( haha) de la serve de la chapelle d’Alexandre and Tchin Tchin de la perte aux Loups ( Thelma la douce), mom to my GuyGuy>> Booly Wooly de la serve de la chapelle d’Alexandre..father of Fanny.
A bit of “current” history for you.