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Responsible breeding?

It is becoming extremely difficult to have a litter. Like the Titanice avoiding icebergs. Reasons are not the obvious ones..there is more and more demand, but “just” for a barbet ( small b, so generic furry dog) and not for anything specific..People are not informed and are not really willing to go in depth when researching and asking breeders intelligent questions. You live with a dog for 12/13/14? years and when you buy it, it’s yours. Barbet re-creation ( Barbet Moderne) is based on a myth and lies, covered by governing instances, like Napoleon being French and having a Poodle/Barbet..which he was not and did not…Breeders are not real transparent as to how and why they do what they do.

It’s, of course, not to make money, is it.

So, when you have seen the people who want a dog “just” like yours and you find out the got a Poodle-type, then a big sigh of relief sets in.You did not waste your time..

You have the ones who “just” want a pet and ad un tratto  they decide that it would be nice to have a litter..and mate a 5th generation “Old breed” with a Poodle -cross, for proximity, and because the not very responsible stud..owner thought it would be socute and nice to get a few $$$.

Then you get the ones who swear up and down they ..”this” and they “that”. They know it all..there is only one Barbet stuff..there are many…If they tell you that, then that IS a clue that they ARE lying.Red Alert!

We have a big joker breeder here in France, well more than one, but I am referring to the one who lied about paternity of her litter(s), not once, not twice, but maybe even 3 times..is still claiming to be the big great breeder she is ( after having been given a big Barbet kennel name) made a mockery of the breed, und so weiter und so weiter..We did forget to mention she was so cute and so nice, like everyone on social networks. DNA has spoken and left quite a few disappointed people who thought their dog was a gift to the world..and it just lost 1/2 of its pedigree..responsible breeders..have nothing to say and lay low.

I do my best to not promote my litters on social networks, since many are real trashcans to dump misleading information on and…”just” sell( place dogs as one says more elegantly) dogs. Not a safe place to travel to, in this very unsafe world of ours.

The meeting pages/forum?( redefined) are run by very unprofessional people looking for fame, at least and running pages like dictators…of course to hide their incompetence.

So, in a nutshell..the Barbet is not safe anywhere, really ..and having a litter is a lot of work when you think of what some do to the breed and its future.

I will have one again, in due time, beteween Froggy and Iabada, since the last one was really really nice and all the dogs I am in touch with, make me proud of my work for the OLD BREED or VIEUX BARBET.

Happy New year….

Out with the Old, in with the New?

2018..the year when hypocrisy, false paternity declarations, no club for the “orphan” breed and the French Kennel club laying low…none of it being their problem. Their reason for being? ..that everyone get along and not make waves.


Many wish that the SCC or French cynology would appreciate more the value of “old blood” as breeds, bloodlines or part of bloodlines and protect that and make that more important as weight than hierarchic and bureaucratic procedures. That not all responsability should be thrown blindly on the table of breed clubs, but that preservation of old breeds should always be taken first and its concern should be on a higher rank than administrative procedures.
Breed clubs have to be checked, if they are still functional, so for the breed and not for the personalities and personal honours. If people outside clubs complain about the clubs, something should be done about it by analyzing what’s going on, without nasty friendship politics.
If a population under one name developed over the decades into 2 different, and not (or only very little) related breeds, belonging to different breed groups, and intentionally never meant to belong to the same breed, then a separation in the pedigree book is most wishful.( asked for years and years ago!)
For each one some kind of commission can be formed, in order to adjust the correct standard for each of them. It would be logical when the population, not bred according the standard of the original breed, should be nominated to be recognized as a new breed, under a separate name.
This is the best chance to avoid unnecessary and endless quarrels. After some time for each of them the commissions can develop into a breed club for each of one.
Pr Denis said the same words years ago, and was ignored, by the SCC. Their main interest is not breed preservation or we’d know it.
Some figures to ponder:
17 300 000 clicks on Google for the Labradoodle
4 870 000 clicks for the Barbet ” Moderne”
333 000 clicks for thr Vieux Barbet.
Shows rapidly which is rarest and most threatened.
Barbet Moderne is fine and not more than a pedigreed Labradoodle.

 

Un Barbet, s’il vous plaît?

Alors, voilà. L’exception qui fait la règle..un message en français! Vous êtes nombreux à me contacter de France et d’ailleurs pour avoir des infos sur une éventuelle portée de chiots. N’étant pas éleveuse professionnelle, je mets mon accent sur mes chiens et la lignée que j’ai construite..du Vieux Barbet qui n’est pas à l’origine du Caniche, mais un Griffon, =cousin du Boulet, disparu aujourd’hui. Le Vieux Barbet en prend la voie. Etant donnée que ma lignée de 8 chiens et 5 générations est sous mon toit et non dispersés à droite et à gauche, je me concentre sur leur bien être et surtout celui des anciens..qui sont prioritaires dans mes objectifs. Ce sont mes chiens et mes amis..ils forment une famille.

Ce n’est pas une mince affaire, mais mes chiens ne sont pas des objets de reproduction. La pyramide dont ils font partie est celle de l’age et de la sélection à 5 générations. Je ne vends pas au tout venant, mais à ceux qui ont envie d’un chiot d’une race en voie de disparition et qui est “rare”, mais pas le rare du Barbet Moderne..type caniche et n’écoutez pas le chant des sirènes de marchands qui vont vous dire le contraire, et que ce sont tous les même chiens. C’est FAUX. Je travaille sur ma lignée depuis 2004 et je sais de quoi je parle..

Griffon Boulet and Griffon Barbet..and no Poodle

I hear people telling me about old strain ( vieille souiche) or old blood, and how ALL these professional breeders here and there are working on “getting the old strain back”..and I try not to scream. That is honky bs. HOW?

I have been getting calls/emails for puppies, from France, EU countries and as far as the West coast of the USA..People, please be a bit more aware of what you are or not, asking for.A breed threatened for extinction cannot be mass produced!

Below left is the cousin of the old strain of the Barbet, the Griffon Boulet and the Griffon Barbet are first cousins. The dog on the right could be a cross between a Poodle, a SWD or the likes. It has nothing to do with a  Vieux Barbet (vieille souche/old strain). Now if all you want is the name “Barbet”..then ask for a Barbet Moderne which is a new breed re-incarnated by JC Hermans in the 1980’s by crossing Poodles. It’s equivalent to a Labradoodle. That is not what I do, nor what I have under my roof, meaning 5 generations of  Vieux Barbet/OLD STRAIN>>Vielle souche.

Many people claim Vieux Barbet in their key/TAG words, only to sell you a lovely Poodle-type. These lovely professional breeders are everywhere, even where you think you are safe. Their mission is to sell you what they produce…only.Your dog will most likely grow up to look like a NICE Poodle, but no way a Griffon Barbet ( Vieux Barbet). Call it what you wish, but it will not happen.

Lastly, for those who do ask questions..:having Ulysse in a pedigree is a sign of nothing, and certainly NOT breeding for the Vieux Barbet..

You will not tell me that the 2 dogs below are related. They are not.This is where JC Hermans, in his better days as a pseudo “historian” led everyone to belive that 100+ years ago, the Barbet was no longer a barbet but not yet a Barbet..it was out there, in limboland ( next to LalaLand..) where all socutesonice dogs crossed and became Barbet MODERNE..I was fed that line, until 2002. Then I woke up. It’s time for you all to do the same. Better late than never…before you rush off th get the latest designer..Barbet. Don’t say you had not been warned. That is another reason why I do not recommend breeders..and certainly not in France.

A tale of 2 sizes and 2 different breeds!

https://www.centrale-canine.fr/lofselect/articles/la-sante-pour-les-6-races-du-club-francais-du-chien-deau

Here you can read what now defunct club says about the 2 types of population. One: the Poodle type, re-incarnated by JC Hermans which has nothing to do with the old breed.It’s called a  BARBET MODERNE. Nothing to do with the standard OR HISTORY.

The other: VIEUX BARBET=> is the historical one, threatened with extinction because many have not a clue of what they are talking about…Fighting has gone on since 1980’s and it does not look like it’s about to change. I am one of the few to have archives on the real breed and my work along with some others’ is certainly not appreciated. that is life, but I maintain facts are facts and lies are lies.

 

May day…May day..;May day…

https://www.unepetition.fr/voir-signataires-3210-barbets-descendants-poppenspallersveltliner.html

 There is an absurd petition going around solliciting useful idiots who know nothing about the real/true story of what happended putting the cart before the cows, to sign a petition to send the SCC, about the “facts” that someone somewhere lied and signed a “déclaration sur l’honneur” about a stud used for a mating, who may not have been the correct one..SCC saw the fraud when someone asked them, strangely enough 8 years later, for the DNA of her super champion..so they are supporting the lie so that their dogs do not lose their 4 generation pedigree..well there have been dogs before in that situation so it is rather unbelievable to react to support a lie! Hence the breeder who committed the fraud broke the law, comes out smelling like a rose.

Sooooooooooo..the litter(s) have lost part of their pedigree which now makes many dogs ATI ( A Titre Initial)..pedigree-faro_Lanka

A lot of information is given here:

Je n’aime pas trop ce réseau social, mais c’est un mal nécessaire ( a necessary evil) pour voir ce qui se passe dans le Barbetworld.Cette personne n’est pas loin de la vérité, pour une fois.

https://www.facebook.com/celine.sabot.92?hc_location=group

What many do not understand is why Faro’s owner waited 8 years to ask for DNA, “filiation”to Veltliner?By now, it does not mean   descendants must stop attending shows, which is their main concern…so, nothing to worry about lies in a Republic. They only lose part of their pedigree; the other half concerns mom Fanny Forigoler ( really) de la serve de la chapelle d’Alexandre who has DNA and is clear of any concerns.

The whole situation refects very well, what goes on in the Barbetworld. People fighting for fame, and..fortune ,selling a dog that they claim is “threatened with extinction” which it is not and is solely a cross of diverses Poodle types ( which have PWD in their background). The others you know.

 

Living space for a Big Master’s race?

When might makes right and survival of the fittest meet up..I wonder what happens then. My high school World history teacher, William Patrick Callahan ( he was Irish), told us, “if you don’t remember anything about what you learnt about Greek columns ( Ionic, Doric and??), those 2 concepts are all you need to remember about the past. I would say that would also be about the future….

Just for “fun” if that is what you can call it..I have been tapping on shoulders here and there in the Barbet world to see if. If? yes IF anything…well, I was not disappointed because: “nothing”..Now, I am not talking about the ones who are afraid to ask questions publicly, for fear of ridicule, because we all know we are supposed to know everything about a breed we are working on. However, in the Barbet world, being the way it has been, is certainly a challenge to wade through to get a semblance of coherence in anything said and /or done.

In other words, most Big Master race breeders, know it all. That’s all. They just know it all and have no reason to share any of their knowledge because it’s theirs, especially if you ask a question..indeed. They are certainly not in need of anything. Then, they tell you about breeding and color genetics and if they can’t even do that they will tell you hahaha hihihi that they have a farmer and a senorita type Barbet. Yes…left me speechless, but not for a long time.

Then, in another context, trying to get basic transparent info from another “leader”, well that was even worse. Of course, everyone who cannot say more than “like” disappears under the rug.We are talking about what goes on in the wings of power in a breed divided for 35 years in its home country with all the repurcussions abroad. So. Barbet history in 5″:Henry IV’s best friend had a Barbet. Napoleon had one too, it was socute. It is a rare breed that you can have one of,only if you pay enough money and your cv is acceptable.

We are into a very lucrative business which at some point may come to an end for those who have not a clue of what the breed stands for, other than €€££$$$$. My US history teacher would call it “galloping capitalism”.

We are making hay while the sun shines…Hey. As long as it’s called Barbet and it is status? I want one. Doesn’t matter what it looks like. It’s a Barbet and I have one now. That makes me great. Now I can show it all over to show people what I can do and how I am great with this breed. I can also show judges what I have and I have one so it is perfect to standard…( but of what??).

Standard you say? Well, we’re breeding for healthy %0 inbreeding, like you know? Low fat yogurt. Keep mixing the ingredients to get a new style, taste? Like specifications; upgrade, change the formula..that what goes in, comes out one way or the other or many others..It’s to the point where you are not really sure of what you see in the line-up. 6 different types in one litter? Rejoice! Who cares?!  You have a unique specimen.. to show off with…. Did you even know the Barbet was not a couch potato? It has a working dog nose. A gundog… By work, I mean hunt. It has a history and a type that gave a standard that someone worked on for a reason . Who cares ?and anyway, a dog does not hunt with his head or his tail. Yes, I heard that.

A pig does truffles..so can a Barbet, but only if you pay a lot for it.

So I look around ( as little as possible) because it is getting scary out there, to see if there are anywhere any TRUE TO TYPE Barbets around. Historical type but not the Poodle ancestor bs.. you know the one Re-incarnated in the 80’s, by crossing mutts? I see one here and one there and I look at the pedigree and without seeing the photograph of the litter, I know there will be as many different types as breeds that went into that recipe. BUT, they are all cute and they are all Barbets that are a rare breed that we sell to elite customers who show a good cv.

So, I then look onto a forum of socutesonice dogs that look like just what I said above. This is where to protect oneself..I am censored..I know too much?

The breeders are backing their product that they put all their love into making new types and just for you. You have just bought a unique fine piece of art that I designed just for you, my socute customer. I am such a great breeder you will come and visit me every year so I can show everyone that I am sonice..I got to the top so fast, because I  am so nice, and I am a breeder so I know. I will use a good bitch as long as she can produce so many different types with the same dog because he also can produce so many different types. Perfect match, eh.

I think that I did forget to repeat that all these breeders are working on the survival of this “old” French breed.  It did not fit into the 5″ history of the breed that goes back into “ancient times”…

What I am sure I did not tell you is that, throughout the so organized Barbet system..there is no communication ( for fear of revealing a secret?) and little cliques who sell dogs and sadly very few who can tell you about the real breed in more than 5” flat, since we do not have time for that stuff. Well..the real breed is the one threatened with extinction and THOSE BREEDERS DO WORK TOGETHER AND HAVE FOR MANY YEARS…and they are not “just” breeders working for their Master race’s survival.

This is a bit of a follow up on breed clubs and their “work” for a breed they know very little about. They do know that they need you to believe in what they, professional breeders, are doing to help the breed called Barbet that they will tell you is so cute.What I am looking around at, is how litters are so diversified, meaning some will look like this and some like that, but very far from the true type of the Vieux Barbet..Even in France they are having a problem figuring it out these days.

All I can do as I have done for many years is be a whistle blower on these tactics of “We are the best and ignore the rest”. “We do what we want to your stupid history of the breed”.

“We are going to make only health tested dogs for anything type Barbets” that are pure( crosses) and as usual we are going to show the world how we doing it with statistics that are not complete, as said to scare people into only buying “their” perfect dogs…like you order a refrigerator.

I try to alert people and share the fact that there is a type and inform people and what happens?
Well…my information is censored! Of course it does not fit in the style of that page  of that socutesonice forum …but does (alarmist) health info which should be discussed in Barbet preservation group, fit? especially when they can’T prove any of it?
As I said before and repeat, many who think they support the breed are contributing to its downfall. OK by me. I have my 5 generations under my roof as a museaum of arti-facts.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone  specific at all, but protecting your own environment is contributing to the breed dying, in many cases , of  your stupidity.

I am not going anywhere, and will continue to fight for the survival of the breed, as some of us ARE concerned with it, regardless of the “governing” authorities caring or not.If the Barbet is concerned. I am.

What my World history teacher would say about it? Probably something about

amnesia, dictators and useful idiots… as history goes in less than 5″.

 

Barbet GuyGuy..hanging in there.

GuyGuy is taking his medicine for his gallstone, eating sometimes more sometimes less and I spend the time to make sure he does. We are now testing some homeopathy that could help him when he moans and is in pain. He  IS a real trooper and so sweet. Every day, I am blessed to have him.