The one on the left descends from the white Poodle in the pedigree below..This dog (or similies) has absolutely nothing to do with the Barbet/Vieux Barbet. The new SCC website allows to find and complete incomplete pawpeds pedigrees..of the Barbet MODERNE. Many are blind (ed)..
Here you can read what now defunct club says about the 2 types of population. One: the Poodle type, re-incarnated by JC Hermans which has nothing to do with the old breed.It’s called a BARBET MODERNE. Nothing to do with the standard OR HISTORY.
The other: VIEUX BARBET=> is the historical one, threatened with extinction because many have not a clue of what they are talking about…Fighting has gone on since 1980’s and it does not look like it’s about to change. I am one of the few to have archives on the real breed and my work along with some others’ is certainly not appreciated. that is life, but I maintain facts are facts and lies are lies.
May day…May day..;May day…
There is an absurd petition going around solliciting useful idiots who know nothing about the real/true story of what happended putting the cart before the cows, to sign a petition to send the SCC, about the “facts” that someone somewhere lied and signed a “déclaration sur l’honneur” about a stud used for a mating, who may not have been the correct one..SCC saw the fraud when someone asked them, strangely enough 8 years later, for the DNA of her super champion..so they are supporting the lie so that their dogs do not lose their 4 generation pedigree..well there have been dogs before in that situation so it is rather unbelievable to react to support a lie! Hence the breeder who committed the fraud broke the law, comes out smelling like a rose.
Sooooooooooo..the litter(s) have lost part of their pedigree which now makes many dogs ATI ( A Titre Initial)..pedigree-faro_Lanka
A lot of information is given here:
Je n’aime pas trop ce réseau social, mais c’est un mal nécessaire ( a necessary evil) pour voir ce qui se passe dans le Barbetworld.Cette personne n’est pas loin de la vérité, pour une fois.
What many do not understand is why Faro’s owner waited 8 years to ask for DNA, “filiation”to Veltliner?By now, it does not mean descendants must stop attending shows, which is their main concern…so, nothing to worry about lies in a Republic. They only lose part of their pedigree; the other half concerns mom Fanny Forigoler ( really) de la serve de la chapelle d’Alexandre who has DNA and is clear of any concerns.
The whole situation refects very well, what goes on in the Barbetworld. People fighting for fame, and..fortune ,selling a dog that they claim is “threatened with extinction” which it is not and is solely a cross of diverses Poodle types ( which have PWD in their background). The others you know.
SOOO, here we are thinking that we owe it all “just” to Mrs Pêtre..well, well well..
When might makes right and survival of the fittest meet up..I wonder what happens then. My high school World history teacher, William Patrick Callahan ( he was Irish), told us, “if you don’t remember anything about what you learnt about Greek columns ( Ionic, Doric and??), those 2 concepts are all you need to remember about the past. I would say that would also be about the future….
Just for “fun” if that is what you can call it..I have been tapping on shoulders here and there in the Barbet world to see if. If? yes IF anything…well, I was not disappointed because: “nothing”..Now, I am not talking about the ones who are afraid to ask questions publicly, for fear of ridicule, because we all know we are supposed to know everything about a breed we are working on. However, in the Barbet world, being the way it has been, is certainly a challenge to wade through to get a semblance of coherence in anything said and /or done.
In other words, most Big Master race breeders, know it all. That’s all. They just know it all and have no reason to share any of their knowledge because it’s theirs, especially if you ask a question..indeed. They are certainly not in need of anything. Then, they tell you about breeding and color genetics and if they can’t even do that they will tell you hahaha hihihi that they have a farmer and a senorita type Barbet. Yes…left me speechless, but not for a long time.
Then, in another context, trying to get basic transparent info from another “leader”, well that was even worse. Of course, everyone who cannot say more than “like” disappears under the rug.We are talking about what goes on in the wings of power in a breed divided for 35 years in its home country with all the repurcussions abroad. So. Barbet history in 5″:Henry IV’s best friend had a Barbet. Napoleon had one too, it was socute. It is a rare breed that you can have one of,only if you pay enough money and your cv is acceptable.
We are into a very lucrative business which at some point may come to an end for those who have not a clue of what the breed stands for, other than €€££$$$$. My US history teacher would call it “galloping capitalism”.
We are making hay while the sun shines…Hey. As long as it’s called Barbet and it is status? I want one. Doesn’t matter what it looks like. It’s a Barbet and I have one now. That makes me great. Now I can show it all over to show people what I can do and how I am great with this breed. I can also show judges what I have and I have one so it is perfect to standard…( but of what??).
Standard you say? Well, we’re breeding for healthy %0 inbreeding, like you know? Low fat yogurt. Keep mixing the ingredients to get a new style, taste? Like specifications; upgrade, change the formula..that what goes in, comes out one way or the other or many others..It’s to the point where you are not really sure of what you see in the line-up. 6 different types in one litter? Rejoice! Who cares?! You have a unique specimen.. to show off with…. Did you even know the Barbet was not a couch potato? It has a working dog nose. A gundog… By work, I mean hunt. It has a history and a type that gave a standard that someone worked on for a reason . Who cares ?and anyway, a dog does not hunt with his head or his tail. Yes, I heard that.
A pig does truffles..so can a Barbet, but only if you pay a lot for it.
So I look around ( as little as possible) because it is getting scary out there, to see if there are anywhere any TRUE TO TYPE Barbets around. Historical type but not the Poodle ancestor bs.. you know the one Re-incarnated in the 80’s, by crossing mutts? I see one here and one there and I look at the pedigree and without seeing the photograph of the litter, I know there will be as many different types as breeds that went into that recipe. BUT, they are all cute and they are all Barbets that are a rare breed that we sell to elite customers who show a good cv.
So, I then look onto a forum of socutesonice dogs that look like just what I said above. This is where to protect oneself..I am censored..I know too much?
The breeders are backing their product that they put all their love into making new types and just for you. You have just bought a unique fine piece of art that I designed just for you, my socute customer. I am such a great breeder you will come and visit me every year so I can show everyone that I am sonice..I got to the top so fast, because I am so nice, and I am a breeder so I know. I will use a good bitch as long as she can produce so many different types with the same dog because he also can produce so many different types. Perfect match, eh.
I think that I did forget to repeat that all these breeders are working on the survival of this “old” French breed. It did not fit into the 5″ history of the breed that goes back into “ancient times”…
What I am sure I did not tell you is that, throughout the so organized Barbet system..there is no communication ( for fear of revealing a secret?) and little cliques who sell dogs and sadly very few who can tell you about the real breed in more than 5” flat, since we do not have time for that stuff. Well..the real breed is the one threatened with extinction and THOSE BREEDERS DO WORK TOGETHER AND HAVE FOR MANY YEARS…and they are not “just” breeders working for their Master race’s survival.
This is a bit of a follow up on breed clubs and their “work” for a breed they know very little about. They do know that they need you to believe in what they, professional breeders, are doing to help the breed called Barbet that they will tell you is so cute.What I am looking around at, is how litters are so diversified, meaning some will look like this and some like that, but very far from the true type of the Vieux Barbet..Even in France they are having a problem figuring it out these days.
All I can do as I have done for many years is be a whistle blower on these tactics of “We are the best and ignore the rest”. “We do what we want to your stupid history of the breed”.
“We are going to make only health tested dogs for anything type Barbets” that are pure( crosses) and as usual we are going to show the world how we doing it with statistics that are not complete, as said to scare people into only buying “their” perfect dogs…like you order a refrigerator.
I try to alert people and share the fact that there is a type and inform people and what happens?
Well…my information is censored! Of course it does not fit in the style of that page of that socutesonice forum …but does (alarmist) health info which should be discussed in Barbet preservation group, fit? especially when they can’T prove any of it?
As I said before and repeat, many who think they support the breed are contributing to its downfall. OK by me. I have my 5 generations under my roof as a museaum of arti-facts.
I am not pointing fingers at anyone specific at all, but protecting your own environment is contributing to the breed dying, in many cases , of your stupidity.
I am not going anywhere, and will continue to fight for the survival of the breed, as some of us ARE concerned with it, regardless of the “governing” authorities caring or not.If the Barbet is concerned. I am.
What my World history teacher would say about it? Probably something about
amnesia, dictators and useful idiots… as history goes in less than 5″.
My 2 cents’: We have nothing but super experts in all these breed clubs who are always ready and willing to guide you with their prophecy…but when all is said and done? I am not sure they even know what a Barbet is. But they will show you how to..
When an allmighty self acclaimed “expert” dictates what can happen or not in the barbet world, it’s time to say “stop“. A bimbo does not decide about a breed and what it looks like, nor does her sidekick.