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Why?

https://www.swrfernsehen.de/landesschau-rp/Vernachlaessigte-Tiere-136-verwahrloste-Hunde-sichergestellt,av-o1137181-100.html?fbclid=IwAR3B-2W6-8BYQWQEmau9uZ9xWpx0F54L9mkayJkDwT1UbGf7kEB5C69cMqw

This really makes me angry. Let’s say some of us know the sitution of the Barbet ( Old and Moderne)..and some breeders sell anything to anyone who asks( remember you are saving a breed..!hum…), never mind anything, like background or history. Some people are very misled into thinking they have a gem.. THE best dog in the world…Well..now’s the time to look into this very sad issue. The dogs will be up for adoption at some point.

They won’t be charging the astronomic prices some change for a cross-breed..and these dogs deserve their socutesonice owner, too. Not everyone has a Barbet for shows/ ego trps or financial reasons ( making puppies and selling them socutesonice). Some just want a nice dog from a real good breeder. That is quite obviously becoming too, more difficult since we have more puppy farms and overbreeding..

pfffffffffffffffft. And some wonder why I get so angry?

Violence, hate and jealousy on social networks..

Since 2011, I have been there and been there. I have never ever promoted a link to those networks, nor advertised selling puppies. I do not tell people I am there.. You can sell and promote anything under the sun and I feel as a non-breeder that is contradictory to my code of ethics. The way some deal with information is extremely frustrating and so is the lack of solidarity, unless it’s to save rescue dogs and promote cute kitten pictures…Many leaders, have been particularly useless people, extremely frustrated  would-be breeders. If they had made proper  breeding choiceschoices, by using their critical thinking skills and doing research…..but did not, and often they hold positions to pour their hate of the breed… and feel the need to shine in public to get even, while others gawk. They do their best to take up space and I suspect, show their frustration. You get a dog for 12? years and if it starts out on the wrong foot, it ain’t gonna get better..unless you dump the dog on someone else. You can’t, so then? You can’t shine ..which is why social networks are the way they are. So be it.  Life is not a socutesonice picture of  life..sadly, it shows in their actions.

You say you want a Barbet?

Iabada, birthday coming up. She will be 5. 53 cms 20 k. Represents the old breed orVieux Barbet: threatened with extinction. Cute and nice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dis moi Duna, birthday coming up. She will be 5. 57 cms 26k. Represents a perfect  the Barbet Moderne, rare breed..not threatened with extinction, because re-created in the early 1990’s. Nice, tall and heavy and square. Nice and cute.

Responsible breeding?

It is becoming extremely difficult to have a litter. Like the Titanice avoiding icebergs. Reasons are not the obvious ones..there is more and more demand, but “just” for a barbet ( small b, so generic furry dog) and not for anything specific..People are not informed and are not really willing to go in depth when researching and asking breeders intelligent questions. You live with a dog for 12/13/14? years and when you buy it, it’s yours. Barbet re-creation ( Barbet Moderne) is based on a myth and lies, covered by governing instances, like Napoleon being French and having a Poodle/Barbet..which he was not and did not…Breeders are not real transparent as to how and why they do what they do.

It’s, of course, not to make money, is it.

So, when you have seen the people who want a dog “just” like yours and you find out the got a Poodle-type, then a big sigh of relief sets in.You did not waste your time..

You have the ones who “just” want a pet and ad un tratto  they decide that it would be nice to have a litter..and mate a 5th generation “Old breed” with a Poodle -cross, for proximity, and because the not very responsible stud..owner thought it would be socute and nice to get a few $$$.

Then you get the ones who swear up and down they ..”this” and they “that”. They know it all..there is only one Barbet stuff..there are many…If they tell you that, then that IS a clue that they ARE lying.Red Alert!

We have a big joker breeder here in France, well more than one, but I am referring to the one who lied about paternity of her litter(s), not once, not twice, but maybe even 3 times..is still claiming to be the big great breeder she is ( after having been given a big Barbet kennel name) made a mockery of the breed, und so weiter und so weiter..We did forget to mention she was so cute and so nice, like everyone on social networks. DNA has spoken and left quite a few disappointed people who thought their dog was a gift to the world..and it just lost 1/2 of its pedigree..responsible breeders..have nothing to say and lay low.

I do my best to not promote my litters on social networks, since many are real trashcans to dump misleading information on and…”just” sell( place dogs as one says more elegantly) dogs. Not a safe place to travel to, in this very unsafe world of ours.

The meeting pages/forum?( redefined) are run by very unprofessional people looking for fame, at least and running pages like dictators…of course to hide their incompetence.

So, in a nutshell..the Barbet is not safe anywhere, really ..and having a litter is a lot of work when you think of what some do to the breed and its future.

I will have one again, in due time, beteween Froggy and Iabada, since the last one was really really nice and all the dogs I am in touch with, make me proud of my work for the OLD BREED or VIEUX BARBET.

Happy New year….

Out with the Old, in with the New?

2018..the year when hypocrisy, false paternity declarations, no club for the “orphan” breed and the French Kennel club laying low…none of it being their problem. Their reason for being? ..that everyone get along and not make waves.


Many wish that the SCC or French cynology would appreciate more the value of “old blood” as breeds, bloodlines or part of bloodlines and protect that and make that more important as weight than hierarchic and bureaucratic procedures. That not all responsability should be thrown blindly on the table of breed clubs, but that preservation of old breeds should always be taken first and its concern should be on a higher rank than administrative procedures.
Breed clubs have to be checked, if they are still functional, so for the breed and not for the personalities and personal honours. If people outside clubs complain about the clubs, something should be done about it by analyzing what’s going on, without nasty friendship politics.
If a population under one name developed over the decades into 2 different, and not (or only very little) related breeds, belonging to different breed groups, and intentionally never meant to belong to the same breed, then a separation in the pedigree book is most wishful.( asked for years and years ago!)
For each one some kind of commission can be formed, in order to adjust the correct standard for each of them. It would be logical when the population, not bred according the standard of the original breed, should be nominated to be recognized as a new breed, under a separate name.
This is the best chance to avoid unnecessary and endless quarrels. After some time for each of them the commissions can develop into a breed club for each of one.
Pr Denis said the same words years ago, and was ignored, by the SCC. Their main interest is not breed preservation or we’d know it.
Some figures to ponder:
17 300 000 clicks on Google for the Labradoodle
4 870 000 clicks for the Barbet ” Moderne”
333 000 clicks for thr Vieux Barbet.
Shows rapidly which is rarest and most threatened.
Barbet Moderne is fine and not more than a pedigreed Labradoodle.

 

Un Barbet, s’il vous plaît?

Alors, voilà. L’exception qui fait la règle..un message en français! Vous êtes nombreux à me contacter de France et d’ailleurs pour avoir des infos sur une éventuelle portée de chiots. N’étant pas éleveuse professionnelle, je mets mon accent sur mes chiens et la lignée que j’ai construite..du Vieux Barbet qui n’est pas à l’origine du Caniche, mais un Griffon, =cousin du Boulet, disparu aujourd’hui. Le Vieux Barbet en prend la voie. Etant donnée que ma lignée de 8 chiens et 5 générations est sous mon toit et non dispersés à droite et à gauche, je me concentre sur leur bien être et surtout celui des anciens..qui sont prioritaires dans mes objectifs. Ce sont mes chiens et mes amis..ils forment une famille.

Ce n’est pas une mince affaire, mais mes chiens ne sont pas des objets de reproduction. La pyramide dont ils font partie est celle de l’age et de la sélection à 5 générations. Je ne vends pas au tout venant, mais à ceux qui ont envie d’un chiot d’une race en voie de disparition et qui est “rare”, mais pas le rare du Barbet Moderne..type caniche et n’écoutez pas le chant des sirènes de marchands qui vont vous dire le contraire, et que ce sont tous les même chiens. C’est FAUX. Je travaille sur ma lignée depuis 2004 et je sais de quoi je parle..

Griffon Boulet and Griffon Barbet..and no Poodle

I hear people telling me about old strain ( vieille souiche) or old blood, and how ALL these professional breeders here and there are working on “getting the old strain back”..and I try not to scream. That is honky bs. HOW?

I have been getting calls/emails for puppies, from France, EU countries and as far as the West coast of the USA..People, please be a bit more aware of what you are or not, asking for.A breed threatened for extinction cannot be mass produced!

Below left is the cousin of the old strain of the Barbet, the Griffon Boulet and the Griffon Barbet are first cousins. The dog on the right could be a cross between a Poodle, a SWD or the likes. It has nothing to do with a  Vieux Barbet (vieille souche/old strain). Now if all you want is the name “Barbet”..then ask for a Barbet Moderne which is a new breed re-incarnated by JC Hermans in the 1980’s by crossing Poodles. It’s equivalent to a Labradoodle. That is not what I do, nor what I have under my roof, meaning 5 generations of  Vieux Barbet/OLD STRAIN>>Vielle souche.

Many people claim Vieux Barbet in their key/TAG words, only to sell you a lovely Poodle-type. These lovely professional breeders are everywhere, even where you think you are safe. Their mission is to sell you what they produce…only.Your dog will most likely grow up to look like a NICE Poodle, but no way a Griffon Barbet ( Vieux Barbet). Call it what you wish, but it will not happen.

Lastly, for those who do ask questions..:having Ulysse in a pedigree is a sign of nothing, and certainly NOT breeding for the Vieux Barbet..

You will not tell me that the 2 dogs below are related. They are not.This is where JC Hermans, in his better days as a pseudo “historian” led everyone to belive that 100+ years ago, the Barbet was no longer a barbet but not yet a Barbet..it was out there, in limboland ( next to LalaLand..) where all socutesonice dogs crossed and became Barbet MODERNE..I was fed that line, until 2002. Then I woke up. It’s time for you all to do the same. Better late than never…before you rush off th get the latest designer..Barbet. Don’t say you had not been warned. That is another reason why I do not recommend breeders..and certainly not in France.

A tale of 2 sizes and 2 different breeds!

https://www.centrale-canine.fr/lofselect/articles/la-sante-pour-les-6-races-du-club-francais-du-chien-deau

Here you can read what now defunct club says about the 2 types of population. One: the Poodle type, re-incarnated by JC Hermans which has nothing to do with the old breed.It’s called a  BARBET MODERNE. Nothing to do with the standard OR HISTORY.

The other: VIEUX BARBET=> is the historical one, threatened with extinction because many have not a clue of what they are talking about…Fighting has gone on since 1980’s and it does not look like it’s about to change. I am one of the few to have archives on the real breed and my work along with some others’ is certainly not appreciated. that is life, but I maintain facts are facts and lies are lies.

 

May day…May day..;May day…

https://www.unepetition.fr/voir-signataires-3210-barbets-descendants-poppenspallersveltliner.html

 There is an absurd petition going around solliciting useful idiots who know nothing about the real/true story of what happended putting the cart before the cows, to sign a petition to send the SCC, about the “facts” that someone somewhere lied and signed a “déclaration sur l’honneur” about a stud used for a mating, who may not have been the correct one..SCC saw the fraud when someone asked them, strangely enough 8 years later, for the DNA of her super champion..so they are supporting the lie so that their dogs do not lose their 4 generation pedigree..well there have been dogs before in that situation so it is rather unbelievable to react to support a lie! Hence the breeder who committed the fraud broke the law, comes out smelling like a rose.

Sooooooooooo..the litter(s) have lost part of their pedigree which now makes many dogs ATI ( A Titre Initial)..pedigree-faro_Lanka

A lot of information is given here:

Je n’aime pas trop ce réseau social, mais c’est un mal nécessaire ( a necessary evil) pour voir ce qui se passe dans le Barbetworld.Cette personne n’est pas loin de la vérité, pour une fois.

https://www.facebook.com/celine.sabot.92?hc_location=group

What many do not understand is why Faro’s owner waited 8 years to ask for DNA, “filiation”to Veltliner?By now, it does not mean   descendants must stop attending shows, which is their main concern…so, nothing to worry about lies in a Republic. They only lose part of their pedigree; the other half concerns mom Fanny Forigoler ( really) de la serve de la chapelle d’Alexandre who has DNA and is clear of any concerns.

The whole situation refects very well, what goes on in the Barbetworld. People fighting for fame, and..fortune ,selling a dog that they claim is “threatened with extinction” which it is not and is solely a cross of diverses Poodle types ( which have PWD in their background). The others you know.