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Silent breed killers? Breeders…

A SILENT BREED KILLER written by cynolog and judge Mr. Hans Hilverda. An important food for thoughts for you all!

A SILENT BREED KILLER

Did you ever notice how easily judges, exhibitors and breeders get used to changes within a breed? In many cases it even goes so far that these changes are gradually lifted to the level of required characteristics. It is mostly dogs of well-known breeders / exhibitors that start a certain change (read: set a trend) within a breed.

There is for instance the somewhat bigger Miniature Schnauzer with the terrier “look “; the some what leveller, elegant looking Shih Tzu with its long neck; the Weimaraner who becomes bigger and bigger and more impressive; the “American” English Springer Spaniel, to name a few breeds.

As soon as a dog with of a slightly “deviating” –type starts winning, the ball start rolling. The dog goes to the ring of honour, the one judge bends over to his neighbour and says; “have you seen that beautiful dog?” Breeders and exhibitors notice that judges like that particular dog and start trying to breed or to buy that type of dog. At such a moment the original Breed Standard does not seem to be of importance to some exhibitors, winning in the show ring is all that matters to them.

When after some time you are sitting at the show ring looking at that breed again, it could happen that you see in a class e.g. 5 dogs of which 4 are “deviating” (deviations) from the standard next to a correct “standard” type of dog. At most shows the (correct) (complying to the) “standard” dog will be considered to be the “odd one” and the true “deviating ones” will be placed behind the boards 1 through 4. For those breeders that adhere to the Standard this is a very frustrating experience.

The temptation is of course very big. Many of the deviating dogs are often very flashy looking ones, and often show a gait, exterior and motion that looks more spectacular than the movement of the “standard” dog. One has to be very strong and come from a good breed conscience background to resist the temptations and keep on preaching the true belief and keep breeding in compliance with the standard.

Often the appearance of difference in type in a breed leads to polarization between judges and breeders alike. One of the hallmarks of this polarization is that certain characteristics of the dogs are even more exaggerated to make it stand out and be recognizable.

So one can observe that and conclude that the non-adherence to the standard of many breeders / exhibitors and judges poses a direct danger to the existence of our breed population.

Except for getting used to trends within a breed, the getting used and the acceptance of inherited faults is a problem of the same kind or even worse.

When judges repeatedly reward dogs with these faults with an “excellent” and also give them their championship tickets, breeders will not be challenged to improve the breed: they are already winning! In such cases only the die-hards and true idealists remain faithful to the breed and try to improve on it, but how many of those people do we have within one breed?

Accepting without any objection of changes that please the eye but are against the standard is an open invitation to the “silent breed killer” to do his job and carry out his devastating work within the breed.

Seen from the perspective that breeding is nothing more then passing on genetic material to the next generation, allowing this to happen means that one willfully accepts and helps spreading of genetically deviating material in an irresponsible way that will pollute the gene pool (hereditary material).

Would it not be good if breeders and judges would, at least once a month take the standard at hand of the breeds they are entrusted, and what would it be valuable to organize regular meetings with breeders and judges to discuss certain trends and “faults” that creep up in a breed. Never forget that the only guideline during judging and breeding should be the FCI-approved breed standard.

So, behave and act as true disciples and spread the gospel according to the original breed standard.
Author: Mr. Hans Hilverda

There are around 100 Vieux Barbets left in the world…so whatever you are breeding has nothing to do with the true standard. Get real…If your dog does not look like a Griffon, a Wooly Griffon.. it is of no use in “saving the old breed”..
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The mind boggles…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bonjour-barbet-french-hunting-dog-debuts-at-crufts-hmjllt0zg

When the Barbet is described as follows..”The barbet is more used to hurtling around French estates snatching up waterfowl. However, dog owners hope that it has the poise and grace to compete at Crufts.”

I do come a bit unglued. You see so many idioties on internet as you all know, but this one takes the cake. How can anyone in their right mind say anything as contradictory about the poor breed.

Hurtling has NEVER been used to describe the breed.. another one surely but not the Barbet.

Poised? Of course when referring to the type in the picture, a veritable Barbet Moderne or Poodle descendant with a proper Poodle topknot ( have you read the standard?)

Grace? When has the Barbet become a “graceful” dog when it is a rustic dog?

Poor breed… for which breeding instructions are ” vous faites comme vous voulez..”. I think most did not wait for that word of wisdome to do whatever suited their fancy to produce more and make more$$$.

That sums up the breed in all its 21st century splendor.

Why?

https://www.swrfernsehen.de/landesschau-rp/Vernachlaessigte-Tiere-136-verwahrloste-Hunde-sichergestellt,av-o1137181-100.html?fbclid=IwAR3B-2W6-8BYQWQEmau9uZ9xWpx0F54L9mkayJkDwT1UbGf7kEB5C69cMqw

This really makes me angry. Let’s say some of us know the sitution of the Barbet ( Old and Moderne)..and some breeders sell anything to anyone who asks( remember you are saving a breed..!hum…), never mind anything, like background or history. Some people are very misled into thinking they have a gem.. THE best dog in the world…Well..now’s the time to look into this very sad issue. The dogs will be up for adoption at some point.

They won’t be charging the astronomic prices some change for a cross-breed..and these dogs deserve their socutesonice owner, too. Not everyone has a Barbet for shows/ ego trps or financial reasons ( making puppies and selling them socutesonice). Some just want a nice dog from a real good breeder. That is quite obviously becoming too, more difficult since we have more puppy farms and overbreeding..

pfffffffffffffffft. And some wonder why I get so angry?

May day…May day..;May day…

https://www.unepetition.fr/voir-signataires-3210-barbets-descendants-poppenspallersveltliner.html

 There is an absurd petition going around solliciting useful idiots who know nothing about the real/true story of what happended putting the cart before the cows, to sign a petition to send the SCC, about the “facts” that someone somewhere lied and signed a “déclaration sur l’honneur” about a stud used for a mating, who may not have been the correct one..SCC saw the fraud when someone asked them, strangely enough 8 years later, for the DNA of her super champion..so they are supporting the lie so that their dogs do not lose their 4 generation pedigree..well there have been dogs before in that situation so it is rather unbelievable to react to support a lie! Hence the breeder who committed the fraud broke the law, comes out smelling like a rose.

Sooooooooooo..the litter(s) have lost part of their pedigree which now makes many dogs ATI ( A Titre Initial)..pedigree-faro_Lanka

A lot of information is given here:

Je n’aime pas trop ce réseau social, mais c’est un mal nécessaire ( a necessary evil) pour voir ce qui se passe dans le Barbetworld.Cette personne n’est pas loin de la vérité, pour une fois.

https://www.facebook.com/celine.sabot.92?hc_location=group

What many do not understand is why Faro’s owner waited 8 years to ask for DNA, “filiation”to Veltliner?By now, it does not mean   descendants must stop attending shows, which is their main concern…so, nothing to worry about lies in a Republic. They only lose part of their pedigree; the other half concerns mom Fanny Forigoler ( really) de la serve de la chapelle d’Alexandre who has DNA and is clear of any concerns.

The whole situation refects very well, what goes on in the Barbetworld. People fighting for fame, and..fortune ,selling a dog that they claim is “threatened with extinction” which it is not and is solely a cross of diverses Poodle types ( which have PWD in their background). The others you know.

 

Hanging in there, my GuyGuy!

These last months have been very trying, with the weather, work, the dogs to take care of and keeping GuyGuy happy…and healthy to his best. I have had to step back and try to stay as zen as possible for him, and me..since  we do know they feel everything. He is doing as well as can be expected. The verdict is chronic hepatitis and he most likely will not die of it, but hopelly of “just” old age.For many months, I was hoping he would reach his mother’s age of 11.5, then I was hoping he would make it to the new year and now we’re in February and I am thinking that perhaps he could make it to his birthday in April.I have had to shut off some oytside perturbating factors  to be able to fully concentrate on him..so far so good.  Here’s a little video…GuyGuy_Rules

He is his usual happy self

Waiting for his walk.

A lot of snow that did not last!

 

What you see is not always what you get.

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Barbet Moderne

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Vieux Barbet ( Barbet/Griffon de chasse)

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting read below about someone who has shared “experience“. When you buy a product, whatever it may be, it must correspond to specifications…and breeder’s experience, meaning predictability and in what is called “lines”.You don’t want to get a socutesonice pup that has nothing to do with what you imagined.

You want a Barbet, but which one? The old one or the new one? Or a cross? There is not just one Barbet and if that were the case, we’d all know…and the breed would not be a hodgepodge of this and that, that have nothing to do with each other, but the name..So back to square one when the barbet ( small b to diffrentiate from the Barbet breed with a standard) was a genetic term to describe a dog, any dog, ANY SIZE with a beard, a mustache and hair that grows. The reason the is a standard was to differentiate the breed from another one with another standard. Of course all dogs are cute and we love ours, but that is NOT the point.

Text below is taken from Pr. Bernard Denis’ book about genetics…called GENETIQUE ET SELECTION CHEZ LE CHIEN.2007. 
ISBN2-914465-07-06 ed.PMCAC

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The message below is very important. Again, you do not need to like or dislike what I said, or what is being said…It’s factual and experience:

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Working on Barbet history since 2003 and making un-identified generic barbets? NO.

If some are perfectly happy having a dog with a name “barbet” that can look like anything under the sun, have a herrendous coat and be nothing like what it should be, well I am not. I have been there and will never accept being told that the Barbet is the ancestor to the Poodle, it is French and très frisé.

After being hasseled for a great part of the year, being treated as “dangerous” ( because I search for truth by working on the real history of the Barbet de chasse/d’arrêt, being accused of being homophobic by someone who has nothing to say of interest or intelligence)… well, I am back in the ring and the fight goes on. What you see below are all barbets………..except for 3. Talk about “genetic variability“!

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