The one on the left descends from the white Poodle in the pedigree below..This dog (or similies) has absolutely nothing to do with the Barbet/Vieux Barbet. The new SCC website allows to find and complete incomplete pawpeds pedigrees..of the Barbet MODERNE. Many are blind (ed)..
…Nothing new..French breed club ex-caudillo, pumping chest up when speaking about the Barbet being “bel et bien un chien de chasse” despite being in the water dog group, but as usual does not back up his empty statement with any proof. As usual, who needs proof or facts when you can just throw words around, as one does most of the time.
That person never did anything about the issue in France, and so it goes on in the UK.
What is really hilarious is when presented at Crufts, no one of them green-T’d members ever mentionned “GUNDOG”…or even how it worked!
You would sort of wonder if anyone was going to say anything about how much hunting they do with their Barbet in the UK as opposed to talking about who got cutoff the picture.wtf.
I have avoided getting into anything political for awhile because it is mostly useless and we know how it ends. Sometimes, it does start itching my hand… The Barbet has been recognized by the UK Kennel club, but we know that and no point getting into the door daught stopper bit again. I have better. The French SCC magazine has just published an article written by another great historian as we are so lucky to have so many who spend their time researching the history of the breed. This is the nice lady who wrote it works at the SCC and she registers show titles of all dogs. She accompanied the French delegation to Crufts ( most can’t speak English, she can) so as a reward she got to write the article..that is certainly enough experience to write an article on an “ancient French breed”.Isn’t it.The intro is somewhat surprising: The Barbet with a curly coat, …..as if there were another…
She talks about water dog/hair/colors/protection and “chasse à la sauvagine” which is probably not even done any more…A dynamic “worker”. WPreston who imported them in 2007(…). Then goes on to saying the definition of the word barbet dates back to 1860 ( which is not true, Selincourt talks about it and Febus, de Fouilloux do too, several hundred years earlier). It was NEVER a farm dog, but a selected GUNDOG. There is no proof it is the ancestor to the Poodle and contrary to what this Mrs Bayoh says, Napoléon did not have a Barbet but a Poodle called Moustache.She obviously did the internet history bit.
I am always happy to see my pups leave, because they are ready to start their new life. I must admit that I get very emotional when they have grown into what I had planned for them and I see them again. I can just admire them.
They are lovely, excellent character, happy, healthy and a continuation of what I have under my roof. What more can I ask for? Vennie sees her son, and what looked like her identifying him, coming to show me her happiness..It was amazing. What a nice afternoon!
My greatest achievement? Coccolina has now reached the 1500 mark of pedigrees she is in. She has been a MAJOR contributor to the type, character, health of about 1/3 of the Barbet world*. No small feat. She is the only Barbet in France to have reached the 5/6 level of the SCC selection grid. I am very lucky and blessed.
- *I’d mention color, but I do not breed for color, nor do I sell for color..
Back to a situation in the 90’s where 2 clubs were in competition for SCC recognition..the names are familair ones with some newbies.
Again, neither is of any use to the Barbet since neither has a clue. Fame is the key word and a lot of blablabla we are all accustomed to, sadly.
So much for the Barbet.
This is the pedigree before the “situation” was brought to the attention of the SCC, apparently very recently…
and when you look at the pdf all of Faro’s family is gone.DNA problem…
Super champion Faro becomes an ATI (no known ancestors).>>>Someone somewhere fibbed on the SCC papers which are legal documents and signed them attesting that what was originally declared was the truth. About 200 Barbets lost 1/2 of their pedigree in the transaction and many are now supporting the person who lied, by asking to get the full pedigree back…never mind the lie..eh. What is more important? One does wonder.
In a breed that has had so many problems over the years, you would think that most? would show their transparence…by posting/sharing DNA information rightaway and not waiting for some odd reason, 8 years later. There’s a rat somewhere along the line. As usual, par for the course, in our socutesonice Barbet world where everyone is a great 5-* breeder.
I am not surprised because “ce qui devait arriver arrivât” as many knew the pedigree was “off” and had known for several years..
Conclusion: “my” breeding half of the pedigree is one of the best in France, coupled with…the worst.
Here you can read what now defunct club says about the 2 types of population. One: the Poodle type, re-incarnated by JC Hermans which has nothing to do with the old breed.It’s called a BARBET MODERNE. Nothing to do with the standard OR HISTORY.
The other: VIEUX BARBET=> is the historical one, threatened with extinction because many have not a clue of what they are talking about…Fighting has gone on since 1980’s and it does not look like it’s about to change. I am one of the few to have archives on the real breed and my work along with some others’ is certainly not appreciated. that is life, but I maintain facts are facts and lies are lies.
May day…May day..;May day…
There is an absurd petition going around solliciting useful idiots who know nothing about the real/true story of what happended putting the cart before the cows, to sign a petition to send the SCC, about the “facts” that someone somewhere lied and signed a “déclaration sur l’honneur” about a stud used for a mating, who may not have been the correct one..SCC saw the fraud when someone asked them, strangely enough 8 years later, for the DNA of her super champion..so they are supporting the lie so that their dogs do not lose their 4 generation pedigree..well there have been dogs before in that situation so it is rather unbelievable to react to support a lie! Hence the breeder who committed the fraud broke the law, comes out smelling like a rose.
Sooooooooooo..the litter(s) have lost part of their pedigree which now makes many dogs ATI ( A Titre Initial)..pedigree-faro_Lanka
A lot of information is given here:
Je n’aime pas trop ce réseau social, mais c’est un mal nécessaire ( a necessary evil) pour voir ce qui se passe dans le Barbetworld.Cette personne n’est pas loin de la vérité, pour une fois.
What many do not understand is why Faro’s owner waited 8 years to ask for DNA, “filiation”to Veltliner?By now, it does not mean descendants must stop attending shows, which is their main concern…so, nothing to worry about lies in a Republic. They only lose part of their pedigree; the other half concerns mom Fanny Forigoler ( really) de la serve de la chapelle d’Alexandre who has DNA and is clear of any concerns.
The whole situation refects very well, what goes on in the Barbetworld. People fighting for fame, and..fortune ,selling a dog that they claim is “threatened with extinction” which it is not and is solely a cross of diverses Poodle types ( which have PWD in their background). The others you know.